Monday AA Meetings in McKeansburg
Morning Hope
St Mary's Episcopal Church 104 Louella Ave (& Lancaster Rt 30)
Closed Literature AA Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
St Mary's Episcopal Church 104 Louella Ave (& Lancaster Rt 30)
Closed Literature AA Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Chesterbrook Monday Nighters
St Isaac Joques Church 50 Walker Rd (& Valley Forge)
Open AA Discussion Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
St Isaac Joques Church 50 Walker Rd (& Valley Forge)
Open AA Discussion Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
THE RULE 62 GOUP
Grace Calvary Church
Open Speaker Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous
13.4 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Grace Calvary Church
Open Speaker Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous
13.4 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Mertztown Group
St. Paul's Lutheran Church
Open Discussion AA Meeting, Wheelchair Access
22.01 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
St. Paul's Lutheran Church
Open Discussion AA Meeting, Wheelchair Access
22.01 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Ziegels Monday Night Group
Ziegels Union Church
Open Discussion AA Meeting, Wheelchair Access
22.78 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Ziegels Union Church
Open Discussion AA Meeting, Wheelchair Access
22.78 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
They Stopped In Time
Faith Alive Methodist Church
As Bill Sees It AA Meeting, Discussion, Open AA Meeting, Literature Meeting, Wheelchair Access
22.79 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Faith Alive Methodist Church
As Bill Sees It AA Meeting, Discussion, Open AA Meeting, Literature Meeting, Wheelchair Access
22.79 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Serendipity Group
St. Paul's UCC Church
Open Discussion AA Meeting
23.27 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
St. Paul's UCC Church
Open Discussion AA Meeting
23.27 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Sunrise Semester
Holy Trinity Church 1904 Walnut St
Open Big Book Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous
24.16 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Holy Trinity Church 1904 Walnut St
Open Big Book Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous
24.16 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Rittenhouse
Holy Trinity Church 1904 Walnut St
Open AA Discussion Meeting
24.16 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Holy Trinity Church 1904 Walnut St
Open AA Discussion Meeting
24.16 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Monday Night Beginners
Holy Trinity Church 1904 Walnut St
Open Newcomer's AA Meeting
24.16 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Holy Trinity Church 1904 Walnut St
Open Newcomer's AA Meeting
24.16 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Friends of Bill W and Dr Bob
Old First Reform Church 151 North 4th St
Open AA Discussion Meeting
24.23 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Old First Reform Church 151 North 4th St
Open AA Discussion Meeting
24.23 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Philadelphia Gay, Lesbian, Bi-Sexual, Transgender
Trinity Episcopal Church 2212 Spruce St
Gay, Open Newcomer's AA Meeting
24.76 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Trinity Episcopal Church 2212 Spruce St
Gay, Open Newcomer's AA Meeting
24.76 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Sober & Gay
William Way Community Center 1315 Spruce St
Gay, Open AA Step Meeting
24.76 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
William Way Community Center 1315 Spruce St
Gay, Open AA Step Meeting
24.76 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Night Owl
William Way Community Center 1315 Spruce St
Open AA Step Meeting
24.76 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
William Way Community Center 1315 Spruce St
Open AA Step Meeting
24.76 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Evergreen
Society Hill Synagogue 418 Spruce St
Open AA Discussion Meeting
24.76 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Society Hill Synagogue 418 Spruce St
Open AA Discussion Meeting
24.76 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Tuesday AA Meetings in McKeansburg
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Survivors
Wayne Presbyterian Church 125 Lancaster Ave (Rt 30)
Open Big Book Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Wayne Presbyterian Church 125 Lancaster Ave (Rt 30)
Open Big Book Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Morning Hope
St Mary's Episcopal Church 104 Louella Ave (& Lancaster Rt 30)
Closed Literature AA Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
St Mary's Episcopal Church 104 Louella Ave (& Lancaster Rt 30)
Closed Literature AA Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
A Design for Living
St Mary's Episcopal Church 104 Louella Ave (& Lancaster Rt 30)
Open Literature AA Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
St Mary's Episcopal Church 104 Louella Ave (& Lancaster Rt 30)
Open Literature AA Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Tuesday Night Atrium Rewards
St David's Episcopal Church 763 Valley Forge Rd
Open Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
St David's Episcopal Church 763 Valley Forge Rd
Open Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Wayne
St Mary's Episcopal Church 104 Louella Ave (& Lancaster Rt 30)
Open AA Speaker Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
St Mary's Episcopal Church 104 Louella Ave (& Lancaster Rt 30)
Open AA Speaker Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
BUTLER NORTH MAIN ST
Faith United Pres. Church
Open Discussion AA Meeting last week Open Speaker Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous
13.4 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Faith United Pres. Church
Open Discussion AA Meeting last week Open Speaker Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous
13.4 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Northwestern Group
Ebenezer UCC Church
Open Discussion AA Meeting, Wheelchair Access
13.65 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Ebenezer UCC Church
Open Discussion AA Meeting, Wheelchair Access
13.65 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
They Stopped In Time
Faith Alive Methodist Church
Discussion, Grapevine, Open, Wheelchair Access
22.79 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Faith Alive Methodist Church
Discussion, Grapevine, Open, Wheelchair Access
22.79 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Wednesday AA Meetings in McKeansburg
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Morning Hope
St Mary's Episcopal Church 104 Louella Ave (& Lancaster Rt 30)
Closed Literature AA Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
St Mary's Episcopal Church 104 Louella Ave (& Lancaster Rt 30)
Closed Literature AA Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Wayne Women's Step Women
Wayne Methodist Church 210 South Wayne Ave
Closed Step AA Meeting, Women
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Wayne Methodist Church 210 South Wayne Ave
Closed Step AA Meeting, Women
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Wednesday Wayne Men's Men
Wayne Presbyterian Church 125 Lancaster Ave (Rt 30)
Discussion, Men, Open
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Wayne Presbyterian Church 125 Lancaster Ave (Rt 30)
Discussion, Men, Open
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
LOST & FOUND
Holy Trinity Monastary use Bullcreek Rd entrance
Open Discussion AA Meeting
13.4 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Holy Trinity Monastary use Bullcreek Rd entrance
Open Discussion AA Meeting
13.4 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
They Stopped In Time
Open Meeting of Alcoholic's Anonymous
20.84 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Open Meeting of Alcoholic's Anonymous
20.84 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
They Stopped In Time
Faith Alive Methodist Church
Open Big Book AA Meeting, Wheelchair Access
22.79 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Faith Alive Methodist Church
Open Big Book AA Meeting, Wheelchair Access
22.79 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Fogelsville Big Book Study Group
St. John's Evangelical Lutheran Church
Open Big Book AA Meeting, Wheelchair Access
23.39 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
St. John's Evangelical Lutheran Church
Open Big Book AA Meeting, Wheelchair Access
23.39 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Palmerton Big Book Meeting
St Johns UCC Church
Open Big Book AA Meeting
23.41 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
St Johns UCC Church
Open Big Book AA Meeting
23.41 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Rittenhouse Big Book
Holy Trinity Church 1904 Walnut St
Open Big Book Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous
24.16 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Holy Trinity Church 1904 Walnut St
Open Big Book Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous
24.16 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Nooners
Holy Trinity Church 1904 Walnut St
Open AA Discussion Meeting
24.16 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Holy Trinity Church 1904 Walnut St
Open AA Discussion Meeting
24.16 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Thursday AA Meetings in McKeansburg
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Stonecraft
Wayne Presbyterian Church 125 Lancaster Ave (Rt 30)
Closed AA Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Wayne Presbyterian Church 125 Lancaster Ave (Rt 30)
Closed AA Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Morning Hope
St Mary's Episcopal Church 104 Louella Ave (& Lancaster Rt 30)
Closed Literature AA Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
St Mary's Episcopal Church 104 Louella Ave (& Lancaster Rt 30)
Closed Literature AA Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Step by Step
Wayne Presbyterian Church 125 Lancaster Ave (Rt 30)
Closed Step AA Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Wayne Presbyterian Church 125 Lancaster Ave (Rt 30)
Closed Step AA Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
A Design for Living
St Mary's Episcopal Church 104 Louella Ave (& Lancaster Rt 30)
Open Literature AA Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
St Mary's Episcopal Church 104 Louella Ave (& Lancaster Rt 30)
Open Literature AA Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Thursday Night Step
St David's Episcopal Church 763 Valley Forge Rd
Open AA Step Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
St David's Episcopal Church 763 Valley Forge Rd
Open AA Step Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Citizens Again
New Life Lutheran Church
Discussion, Living Sober, Open Speaker Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous
14.14 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
New Life Lutheran Church
Discussion, Living Sober, Open Speaker Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous
14.14 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Living Sober Group
AA Meeting Closed Discussion, Literature & Steps
18.68 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
AA Meeting Closed Discussion, Literature & Steps
18.68 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Recovery, Unity, Service Group
AA Open Discussion Meeting
19.03 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
AA Open Discussion Meeting
19.03 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Blue Mountain Gratitude Group
St. John's Lutheran Church
Closed Step Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous, Wheelchair Access
21.92 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
St. John's Lutheran Church
Closed Step Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous, Wheelchair Access
21.92 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
They Stopped In Time
Faith Alive Methodist Church
Open Discussion AA Meeting, Wheelchair Access
22.79 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Faith Alive Methodist Church
Open Discussion AA Meeting, Wheelchair Access
22.79 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Friday AA Meetings in McKeansburg
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8 O'CLOCK at Wayne
St Katharine of Siena Parish Hall 104 South Aberdeen Ave
Open Big Book Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous, Wheelchair Access
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
St Katharine of Siena Parish Hall 104 South Aberdeen Ave
Open Big Book Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous, Wheelchair Access
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Morning Hope
St Mary's Episcopal Church 104 Louella Ave (& Lancaster Rt 30)
Closed Literature AA Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
St Mary's Episcopal Church 104 Louella Ave (& Lancaster Rt 30)
Closed Literature AA Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Promises, Promises
Wayne Presbyterian Church 125 Lancaster Ave (Rt 30)
Open AA Discussion Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Wayne Presbyterian Church 125 Lancaster Ave (Rt 30)
Open AA Discussion Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Last Chance Group
AA Meeting Closed Discussion, Literature & Steps
18.92 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
AA Meeting Closed Discussion, Literature & Steps
18.92 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Back to Basics Group
Good Shepherd UCC
Open Big Book AA Meeting, Wheelchair Access
21.89 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Good Shepherd UCC
Open Big Book AA Meeting, Wheelchair Access
21.89 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Happy Joyous & Free Group
Jordan Lutheran Church
Open Discussion AA Meeting, Speaker
23.27 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Jordan Lutheran Church
Open Discussion AA Meeting, Speaker
23.27 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Intergroup Noon
Southeastern Pennsylvania Intergroup Office SEPIA 444 North 3rd St 3rd Fl Suite #3E
Open Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous
23.86 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Southeastern Pennsylvania Intergroup Office SEPIA 444 North 3rd St 3rd Fl Suite #3E
Open Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous
23.86 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Sunrise Semester
Holy Trinity Church 1904 Walnut St
Open AA Step Meeting
24.16 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Holy Trinity Church 1904 Walnut St
Open AA Step Meeting
24.16 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Saturday AA Meetings in McKeansburg
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Morning Hope
St Mary's Episcopal Church 104 Louella Ave (& Lancaster Rt 30)
Closed Literature AA Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
St Mary's Episcopal Church 104 Louella Ave (& Lancaster Rt 30)
Closed Literature AA Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Wayne Saturday Night Rescue Me
Second Baptist Church 246 Highland Ave
Open AA Speaker Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Second Baptist Church 246 Highland Ave
Open AA Speaker Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Greater Lehighton Group
Open Meeting of Alcoholic's Anonymous
18.92 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Open Meeting of Alcoholic's Anonymous
18.92 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
They Stopped In Time, Saturday Night Speaker Meeting,
Open Meeting of Alcoholic's Anonymous
20.43 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Open Meeting of Alcoholic's Anonymous
20.43 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Mertztown Group
St. Paul's Lutheran Church
Open Discussion AA Meeting, Wheelchair Access
22.01 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
St. Paul's Lutheran Church
Open Discussion AA Meeting, Wheelchair Access
22.01 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Serendipity Group
St. Paul's UCC Church
Open Discussion AA Meeting
23.27 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
St. Paul's UCC Church
Open Discussion AA Meeting
23.27 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Sunrise Semester Men
Holy Trinity Church 1904 Walnut St
Discussion, Men, Open
24.16 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Holy Trinity Church 1904 Walnut St
Discussion, Men, Open
24.16 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Sunrise Semester Women
Holy Trinity Church 1904 Walnut St
Open AA Discussion Meeting, Women
24.16 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Holy Trinity Church 1904 Walnut St
Open AA Discussion Meeting, Women
24.16 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Midtown
Holy Trinity Church 1904 Walnut St
Open AA Speaker Meeting
24.16 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Holy Trinity Church 1904 Walnut St
Open AA Speaker Meeting
24.16 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Blue Sky Saturday
Holy Trinity Church 1904 Walnut St
Open AA Step Meeting
24.16 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Holy Trinity Church 1904 Walnut St
Open AA Step Meeting
24.16 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Sunday AA Meetings in McKeansburg
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BETHEL PARK REFLECTIONS
John McMillion Pres Church
Open Discussion AA Meeting
9.33 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
John McMillion Pres Church
Open Discussion AA Meeting
9.33 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Morning Hope
St Mary's Episcopal Church 104 Louella Ave (& Lancaster Rt 30)
Closed Literature AA Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
St Mary's Episcopal Church 104 Louella Ave (& Lancaster Rt 30)
Closed Literature AA Meeting
13 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Second Step Group
Closed Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous
19.24 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Closed Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous
19.24 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Blue Mountain Gratitude Group
St. John's Lutheran Church
Open Speaker Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous, Wheelchair Access
21.92 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
St. John's Lutheran Church
Open Speaker Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous, Wheelchair Access
21.92 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Pass It On Group
St. Nicholas R.C. Church
Open Discussion AA Meeting, Wheelchair Access
22.69 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
St. Nicholas R.C. Church
Open Discussion AA Meeting, Wheelchair Access
22.69 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Orefield Meeting
St. Joseph's the Worker Church
Open Discussion AA Meeting
23.1 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
St. Joseph's the Worker Church
Open Discussion AA Meeting
23.1 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Sunrise Semester
Holy Trinity Church 1904 Walnut St
Open Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous
24.16 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Holy Trinity Church 1904 Walnut St
Open Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous
24.16 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Sixty Minutes
Holy Trinity Church 1904 Walnut St
Open AA Speaker Meeting
24.16 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Holy Trinity Church 1904 Walnut St
Open AA Speaker Meeting
24.16 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Friends of Bill W and Dr Bob
Old First Reform Church 151 North 4th St
Open AA Step Meeting
24.23 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Old First Reform Church 151 North 4th St
Open AA Step Meeting
24.23 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Night Owl
William Way Community Center 1315 Spruce St
Open Big Book Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous
24.76 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
William Way Community Center 1315 Spruce St
Open Big Book Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous
24.76 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
Sober & Gay
William Way Community Center 1315 Spruce St
Gay, Open Literature AA Meeting
24.76 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
William Way Community Center 1315 Spruce St
Gay, Open Literature AA Meeting
24.76 miles from the center of McKeansburg, PA
If you can't find a meeting close to you at the time you're looking for, we recommend checking out nearby towns including: New Ringgold, Deer Lake, Middleport, and Orwigsburg.
Additional local resources: McKeansburg NA Meetings | McKeansburg Al-Anon Meetings
What is an AA Meeting?
Alcoholics Anonymous is a program created to help those who struggle from alcohol dependence stay sober. There is no charge to attend a meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous in McKeansburg, PA as the funding is voluntarily contributed from its members.
Alcoholics Anonymous is one of most commonly known programs in the United States and around the world that helps countless men and women overcome their alcohol addiction in the pursuit of lifelong recovery. AA meetings are commonly made up of small groups of recovering alcoholics who share their recovery journey and are there to help new members stay sober.
How to Choose an AA Meeting in McKeansburg, PA
Alcoholism is a disease of the mind, body, and soul. AA has created meetings to help with each individual piece of your independence from alcohol. If you are in search of a meeting on the 1st three steps, beginner meetings are for you. If you are looking to focus on your spiritual side, attending a meditation meeting would be a recommended choice. If you are in search of other people's journeys to sobriety, a speaker meeting is where you need to be. If you are through your steps and are now working on the traditions of AA, a traditions meetings will be beneficial. If you want to attend a single gender group, you can go to a men’s or women's meeting where no one of the opposite gender will be there. The fact of the matter is there is a meeting for everyone. Try different meetings out until you find one that you feel most comfortable at.
How to Get The Most From an AA Meeting in McKeansburg, PA
In order to get the most out of your first AA meeting you should keep an open minded. Everyone had preconceived notions of what these meeting were and generally it is the same misconception. The most beneficial thing I was told was to sit down, stop talking, pay attention to the message, and modestly ask for help. At any meeting, that one thing that will always be present is the message of recovering from a hopeless state of mind. The process of recovering from that hopeless state is in asking for help from another person suffering from alcohol addiction which you will find in any Alcoholics Anonymous meeting you choose to pick as your first.
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